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  • #208988
    Invitado MQI
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    Como Canadá también es de habla francesa, les dejo esto en francés. Si alguien encuentra la noticia en español o inglés, colóquenla!
    Lo que cuenta es que las provincias del oeste (BC, AlbertaSaskatchewan y Manitoba) no se identifican con la federación canadiense… y piensan separarse!

    La séparation gagne en popularité dans l’Ouest

    Mise à jour le mardi 9 août 2005 à 6 h 33
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    L’assemblée législative de l’Alberta
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    Un sondage mené par une équipe du Collège communautaire de Lethbridge, en Alberta, révèle que 35 % des Canadiens dans les quatre provinces de l’Ouest envisagent la séparation de leur province d’avec le reste du Canada.

    Le sondage a été réalisé pour le magazine Western Standard, basé à Calgary. Les citoyens de l’Alberta sont les plus nombreux à admettre qu’ils songent à cette option politique, avec une proportion de 42 %. Suivent les citoyens de la Saskatchewan et de la Colombie-Britannique, à 31 % chacun.

    C’est au Manitoba que l’option de la séparation recueille le moins d’appuis, à 27 %. Malgré ces résultats, les partis sécessionnistes de l’Ouest n’ont recueilli que des appuis marginaux jusqu’ici.

    Les répondants de l’Ouest disent éprouver un sentiment d’aliénation dans la fédération canadienne. Et 64 % d’entre eux croient que le premier ministre du Canada, Paul Martin, est inefficace pour abattre ce sentiment.

    L’enquête a été menée auprès de 1448 personnes entre le 29 juin et le 5 juillet. Sa marge d’erreur est de 2,6 %, 19 fois sur 20.

    #208989
    Invitado MQI
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    A nation torn apart

    An exclusive Western Standard poll shows more than a third of westerners are thinking of separating from Canada. What’s dividing the country–and can anything be done to save it?

    Kevin Steel – August 22, 2005

    It wasn’t just what the bumper sticker said, but where it was placed and what it was stuck on. The white rectangle that read, "One hundred years is long enough," followed by the website address, http://www.separationalberta.com, was high up in the rear window of a shiny new, high-end SUV driving through supposedly Liberal downtown Edmonton– not on a dusty old pickup truck in a small prairie town. And at the wheel was a smartly-dressed soccer mom, her two kids seated behind her, though obscured by the tinted side windows. These days, western independence has a new face. A movement that was once restricted to what central Canadians might call the redneck fringe, has managed to spread to westerners who are, in many cases, urbane, white collar and increasingly too young to be nursing any grudges over the National Energy Program. What’s more, sympathy for breaking up the country along east-west lines is no longer strictly something you’ll find in Alberta. More than ever, support for separation is growing all across the West.

    That’s the conclusion of a Western Standard poll, which found that a record number of people in all four western provinces say they are willing to look at separating from the East. According to the poll, which was conducted in July, using random selection methods, 35.6 per cent of westerners agreed with the statement: "Western Canadians should begin to explore the idea of forming their own country." How serious is that? In Quebec, measures of separatist sentiment often find about 37 per cent of Quebecers endorsing independence (though, at times, the numbers have risen as high as 55 per cent, as was the case with a poll conducted by the newspaper La Presse in July).

    The research, which was conducted by pollster Faron Ellis, a political science professor at the Lethbridge Community College, was commissioned by the Western Standard to determine how well the federal government under Prime Minister Paul Martin has been managing the issue of western alienation–something that Martin promised to reduce as part of his 2004 election campaign. It demonstrates the highest support level for separation ever recorded in any province. Historically, separatist sentiment has been estimated in Alberta to hover in the single digits. In fact, 42 per cent of Albertans now say they are willing to consider the idea of forming a new nation, independent of Ottawa. In Saskatchewan, 31.9 per cent expressed a willingness. Residents of B.C. and Manitoba were the least likely to say they would consider separation, but significant numbers in both provinces nevertheless expressed sympathy with the separatist cause: 30.8 per cent and 27.5 per cent, respectively. The poll was conducted around Canada Day, between June 29 and July 5, 2005, when sentiment for federation should have been running at its peak. It sampled 1,448 adults and had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.6 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

    Remarkably, notes pollster Ellis, the greatest support for separation existed among young people, not the stereo-typical embittered Albertan codger. Thirty-seven per cent of those between the ages of 18 and 29 were open to the notion of breaking away from Canada. “Interestingly enough, in that age group, they haven’t had the major constitutional or federal touchstones like previous generations,” Ellis says. “Their psyche hasn’t been ingrained by major constitutional crises, such as the previous generations.” Thirty- and forty-year-olds witnessed the constitutional crises that were the Charlottetown and Meech Lake accords, and older groups will remember the NEP. “But with 10 years of relative constitutional peace, to have high numbers in that [youngest] generation . . . those youth numbers are surprising,” he adds.

    Meanwhile, the baby boom generation (those between the ages of 45 and 64) expressed the lowest support for separation of all the age groups, at 33.7 per cent–likely because they worry that political instability could disrupt the comfortable lives many have established, speculates Ellis. “The Gen X and late boomer crowd is more entrepreneurial and less materialistic [than baby boomers] in a lot of ways,” he says. But Andrew Sullivan, vice-president of Ottawa-based EKOS Research Associates, which regularly polls Quebec for separatist sentiment, also notes that younger voters are typically the least likely to get mobilized. “That age group [18–29] may sound enthusiastic, but they are also the least likely to show up to the polls. In other words, they don’t walk the talk,” he says.

    Darrel Stinson, Conservative MP for North Okanagan–Shuswap, says he’s not surprised by what appears to be an increasing trend toward pro-separatist politics in the West. Elected in the 1993 election as part of the first major wave of Reform Party politicians sent to Ottawa, Stinson says westerners are increasingly pessimistic that their voices are being heard federally. “When Reform first started, it was more of a movement than politics. When all that took place, there was a feeling that we were finally going to have a say in Ottawa, but we got shut out in a number of areas,” he says. A catalogue of recent outrages in Ottawa–the sponsorship scandal, the billion-dollar gun registry, Martin’s ability to cheat the non-confidence vote, including the implementation of a tax-and-spend budget to appease the NDP–has frustrated westerners further, especially since Liberal support continues to remain high elsewhere in Canada, according to public opinion polls. In the Western Standard survey, 38 per cent of respondents said that the details uncovered in the sponsorship scandal have contributed to their willingness to consider separation (27.2 per cent said it decreased it, and 34.8 per cent said it had no impact). Thirty-eight per cent said “the manner in which the Liberals won the budget confidence vote” (the question specifically mentioned Martin’s “securing [former Tory MP] Belinda Stronach’s defection to the Liberals and a budget deal with the NDP”) had the same inflammatory effect. A total of 25.9 per cent said the vote diminished their independent streak, and 36.6 per cent said it had no effect. “When you talk to people out here, they figure the East is going to keep putting in the crooks just to keep the West out,” says Stinson, who is battling cancer and has announced he will not run again in the next election. “And that just builds animosity. If the Liberals form another government, I think you’ll see it [separatist sentiment] come to the forefront. It will erupt.” When asked how a Liberal victory in the next federal election would impact their sympathies toward separation, 40.4 per cent of all westerners said it would make them more likely to support independence (24 per cent said it would make them less likely to consider it, with the remainder saying it would have no impact).

    “There is a deep and troubling realization that all of the effort of the Reform Party–‘the West wants in,’ democratic reform, fiscal and social responsibility–all of that effort of the last 20 years appears to have achieved virtually nothing,” says Ted Morton, MLA for Calgary Foothills–Rockyview, on leave from his position as a professor of political science at the University of Calgary. “On fiscal responsibility they [the federal Liberals] just spent $28 billion in 28 days after the budget. On social responsibility they just enacted @!#$ marriage against demonstrable opposition from the Canadian people. On democratic reform they just appointed three nobodies to the Senate despite the fact that we [Albertans] just elected three new senators,” Morton notes. Add to that the prospect that despite the revelations of corruption from Gomery and the kickbacks and lies, Morton says that voters in Ontario are prepared to re-elect them, and it’s no wonder people are asking, “What’s the point of sticking around?”

    Though a majority of westerners–56.8 per cent–say the prime minister has done a “poor job” of fixing the democratic deficit (another of his main election campaign planks) and a whopping 64 per cent say he has done a “poor job” at ending western alienation, Ellis believes that the increasing attractiveness of the separation option is the result of a combination of factors. In addition to a disaffection with Martin in particular, westerners are coming to believe that other methods of effecting political change have been tried repeatedly with no success. “From Western leaders of federal parties like Joe Clark and the Conservatives, compromising on the leadership with Mulroney, that didn’t change anything,” says Ellis. “Having powerful ministers in the cabinet didn’t change anything. Having Lougheed–and then Klein, to a lesser extent–stand up for the province, that didn’t fix any fundamental injustices. Starting a Western party–well, you can’t succeed if you are regional. We’ve been through that. All conceivable options for many westerners that can be tried have been tried and seem to have failed. So you are left with no options,” Ellis says.

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    #208990
    Invitado MQI
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    Patrick Beauchamp, chairman of the Alberta Residents League, a group that in the past has flirted with support for separation, believes there is an option that hasn’t been tried: the Alberta Agenda. That’s the plan in which a province such as Alberta could take a series of steps to reduce the influence of the federal government, like establishing its own police force, collecting its own tax, and setting up a separate pension plan. These measures, he says, could provide a release valve for the building separatist sentiment. “We’d like less Ottawa and more Alberta. That means strengthening Alberta within Confederation and we think every province should do the same. Ottawa has just stuck its nose in too far into provincial matters. On the social side, they’re sticking it in further every day,” Beauchamp says.

    Morton, who happens to be one of the authors of the Alberta Agenda, or “firewall” idea, says that without his province–and potentially other western provinces–taking steps to alleviate citizens’ growing angst over provincial– federal relations, the results could be tragic. “I am as opposed to the status quo as anybody, but the solution isn’t separatism,” says Morton. “Properly configured, Canada as a whole can play a larger, more productive role in both world affairs and North American trade and defence issues. And there are important parts of Canadian history that all Canadians are proud of.”

    Bruce Hutton, leader of the Separation Party of Alberta–the organization behind the “A hundred years is long enough” bumper sticker–says that while more than a third of westerners may be philosophically inclined toward separation, many may feel too comfortable right now, with the economy strong, to actually get behind a full-fledged independence movement. “One of things that makes it [separation] a hard sell is that we have to get people to think of the future, not the present, in order to sell our message,” says Hutton. “That’s a tough thing to do. Right now there’s a boat in the yard and an SUV and a travel trailer and steaks on the barbecue, so it’s a tough sell when you say to someone we’re in trouble and we have to fix this.” But with a third of western Canadians already indicating they’re ready to talk the talk on separation, it may just be a matter of the right economic circumstances–perhaps, given the soaring price of oil, something like another National Energy Program–before they walk the walk and march right out of Confederation once and for all.

    Western Independence How much do you agree with the following statement: “Western Canadians should begin to explore the idea of forming their own country”?

    By Gender Male Female All Respondents
    Agree 42.7 28.7 35.6
    Disagree 57.3 71.3 64.4

    By Age 18–29 30–44 45–64 65+
    Agree 37.2 36.1 33.7 36.3
    Disagree 62.8 63.9 66.3 63.7

    By Province B.C. Alberta Saskatchewan Manitoba
    Agree 32.1 43.0 33.6 28.8
    Disagree 67.9 57.0 66.4 71.2

    Contributing factors

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    #208991
    Invitado MQI
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    How effective do you think Prime Minister Paul Martin’s government has been at eliminating the democratic deficit since being elected one year ago?
    Poor 56.8%
    Good 43.2 %

    How effective do you think the Martin government has been at ending western alienation since being elected one year ago?
    Poor 64.0%
    Good 36.0%

    How much has the Gomery inquiry testimony impacted your opinion of western Canadians exploring the idea of forming their own country?
    Increased 38.0%
    No impact 34.8%
    Reduced 27.2%

    How much did the manner in which the Liberals won the budget confidence vote impact your opinion of western Canadians exploring the idea of forming their own country?
    Increased 37.5%
    No impact 36.6%
    Reduced 25.9%

    What impact would a Liberal re-election likely have on your opinion of western Canadians exploring the idea of forming their own country?
    Increased 40.4%
    No impact 35.5%
    Reduced 24.0%

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    Revolution number nine
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    Talk amongst yourselves
    A killer by any other name
    Puppets of Beijing
    A picture of health–from both sides of the border
    Crime pays pretty well for one Health Canada bureaucrat
    Increased Canadian content

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    Copyright © 2005 Western Standard. All Rights Reserved.

    #208992
    Invitado MQI
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    I hope this never happens, it will be very sad to have such a great nation divided in pieces when the rest of the world is seeking strength by the sum of it’s parts point in case EU.
    What in the world is the people of Manitoba thinking?, at least Quebec has a better industrial layout and a quick exit to the Atlantic which allows them to have a voice in the International Trade but Manitoba? stuck right in the middle of Ontario and Saskatchewan with no exit to either ponds (Oceans).
    Actually I have always embraced the idea of Canada & U.S.A. as one nation, naive? maybe…… but indeed exciting and amazing. If EU did it why can’t these 2 North American countries with similar culture, economy, language and stnd. of living get to that point?, anyway, just my 2 cents, thanks for the reading matl. Andres.

    #208993
    Invitado MQI
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    Bueno, nada está hecho, pero pueden tener una idea del clima…
    Por lo de una cultura parecida, no estoy muy seguro. Por lo menos no con el presidente que tienen ahora… No vayas a decirle esto a un Canadiense, no te la va a comprar nunca.

    #208994
    Invitado MQI
    Miembro

    I know they hate to hear about it (National pride) but in the back of their head their are contemplating it (Taxes) at least quite a few I have met wish this to be so it’s just not easy to be partner with the most hated country in the planet. As to the culture what do you think is closer Mexico?, that’s what I meant with similar, of course I excluded Quebec that’s another set of issues.
    I read the numbers and indeed the majority still rules but just the idea alone is alarming, I can’t imaging Canada broken down in pieces and I hardly believe that their calamity will come to an end by choosing this path.

    #208995
    Invitado MQI
    Miembro

    Bueno si esto sucede a lo mejor Ontario va a unirse a tu país….

    #208996
    dravero
    Miembro

    Espero en Dios que no pase nunca eso….

    Saludos desde México

    Verónica

    #208997
    Invitado MQI
    Miembro

    hay muchos intereses politicos y economicos eso no va a pasar…

    compota

    #208998
    Invitado MQI
    Miembro

    Que yo sepa son los quebecos los que se quieren separar y por mi que lo hagan y ni me interesa y mucho menos me importan.

    Lo de las provincias del oeste lo dudo su sentimiento de pertenencia es mucho mas fuerte y sincero tienen al menos una cultura de integracion y de prosperidad colectiva y territorial que no tienen sus hasta ahora connacionales quebecos, es la verdad………….asi que Andres G dejate de cuentos de camino y deja de estarle buscando la quinta pata al gato como lo haces siempre.

    Hans

    #208999
    Invitado MQI
    Miembro

    quebec no creo que se separe, ellos tendrian que llevarse parte de la deuda de Canada y la inversion en quebec terminaria, cuantas empresas se irian de alla, recordemos lo que paso con la "amenaza" del referendum en el cual muchas compañias salieron de alla.

    Imaginense cuantas personas se irian de alla, en pocas palabras quebec se convertiria en un pais tercermundista dentro de Norteamerica.

    #209000
    Invitado MQI
    Miembro

    Hans, sólo puse un artículo publicado en una revista de Alberta. Que suceda o no no es el punto. Nada más quería informar a la gente.

    #209001
    Invitado MQI
    Miembro

    y se llamara Ontariocubazuela, que lindo¡

    #209002
    Invitado MQI
    Miembro

    Bueno, tu sabes que esta gente que habla francés se creen el ombligo del mundo, mira lo que paso en Francia con el referendum para la constitución europea , tremendo proyecto que lo unico que traería a Europa seria prosperidad. Esto tendrá repercusión en todo el globo.

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