Recien me gradue y me voy a CANADA a trabajar en mi area.

Te felicito por tu excelente CV y tu optimismo, te deseo suerte en Canada y solo te recomiendo que no te olvides meter en tu maleta un poquito de humildad, si no cabe, ni te preocupes, porque la sola experiencia de ser un inmigrante te va a regalar toneladas de humildad.

Personalmente no comparto los comentarios pesimistas que se ven en este foro y siempre lo he dicho, pero hay que tener claro que aunque vayas al pais con el mejor nivel de vida del mundo, la vida del inmigrante nunca es facil porque se empieza de cero en un pais donde no manejas los códigos sociales, y del que sabes muy poco (sabemos mucho de USA pero casi nada de Canada)

Me parece genial que lleves $ 20.000, te recomiendo vivir como si tuvieras solo 2000 y empezar a trabajar en lo que sea mientras logres convencer a los canadienses que tu tienes algo que aportar a su fuerza de trabajo, en este sentido te pregunto algo;

¿que tienes tu que ofrecer que los canadienses no tengan ya de sobra?

¿cuantas personas con tu CV o mejor que el tuyo van a llegar a Toronto el mismo dia que tu?

¿cuantos diseñadores se están graduando en Canada este año?

Estas reflexiones valen incluso si no te vas de Venezuela…. graduarse es el inicio de la pelea, no el final. Si no tienes algo que te distinga de los demas entonces no tienes chance porque profesionales hay muchos, muchos muchos salvo que seas Actuario o estes dispuesto a trabajar en Irak, eso es algo que los adultos llaman competencia. Si no tines algo que te distinga entonces ya hueles a muerto.

Nuevamente suerte, y ojalá que sepas hacer paginas web porque la mayoria de las paginas web canadienses que he visto son horribles.

WOW, todo esto no me lo dijeron los abogados de imigración. Gracias por sus consejos, ya estoy un poquito mas claro con como es la cosa alla. Asi que mejor me bajo de mi nube y me preparo para trabajar como ustedes me dicen.

Como que tipos de trabajos uno debe hacer al principio ? o sea , que es lo que mas se consigue al principio. Yo estoy nuevo y no se nada de la cosa en CANADA. He podido leer que hay un gentio buscando trabajo por lo que he podido leer en este foro y una chama Adriana que se regreso limpia pa Venezuela. Ojala eso no me pase a mi.

Que opinan ?

Alex

Yo tambien me gradue con honores, muy buen promedio, con becas, con muy buenas recomendaciones de profesores canadienses, con publicaciones de mi investigacion en conferencias, publicaciones, y trabaje como ayudante de investigacion y de ensenanza e hice mi maestria en una universidad canadiense, y me demore 8 meses para conseguir trabajo ( y eso que es ingenieria y el gobierno dice que hay "shortage"), y el trabajo no es que sea muy bueno, eso fue hace ya mas de ano y medio, llevo mas de seis meses tratando de conseguir un nuevo empleo, y me han salido entrevistas pero dicen mi experiencia no es suficiente pues quieren que sepa de todo y la competencia esta renida, y la verdad no se como voy a conseguir esa experiencia donde estoy trabajando pues no trabajamos en muchos proyectos (todo es parecido y no hay oportunidades de mucho aprendizaje) y los empleadores quieren que uno sepa de todo (ejemplo: todos los tipos de PLC’s, lenguajes de programcion ,etc) y bien con amplia experiencia y varios proyectos soportandolo, asi que saca tus propias conclusiones….Aca solo les importa la experiencia, ni siquiera un titulo canadiense es garantia de nada…Yo de ti lo pensaira dos veces, trabaja en venezuela primero y obten experiencia porque te lo aseguro que no conseguiras nada a menos de que vengas y estudies y eso tampoco es garantia…

Alex, no existen soluciones ni "mágicas" ni "fáciles" para lograr el éxito en ningún país del mundo. Investiga bien, Canada podrá ser un país con buen nivel de vida para sus habitantes, pero no creo que sea un país en donde se obtenga el éxito apenas pisando su suelo…

Real Show, entonces estos abogados manipulan la información, que barbaro, que bueno que escribi preguntando en este foro, quiero confesarles que estoy sorprendido de darme cuenta de la realidad que ustedes me manifiestan, y viniendo de ustedes vale mucho porque ya estan alla. Realmente no sabia que habia tantos problemas para conseguir empleo en el area profesional de uno en Canada. Bueno, ahora voy a pensar las cosas un poco mejor.

Alex.

pulido con muchas muestras de trabajos. Tus calificaciones valdran poco (en un pais en el que muchos tienen que revalidar la carrera realmente las calificaciones son lo de menos) y tu experiencia laboral tambien sera considerada nula porque lo que cuenta es la experiencia local.
Asi que al principio aunque sea trabajando gratis (internshio, voluntario) metete a algun lado para poder conseguir muestras de trabajo hechas en el pais y contactos.
Sobre la realidad de Canada, leete lo siguiente:

"While earnings of recent male immigrants have fallen over the last two decades, those of Canadian-born workers have risen. As a result, the gap between the pay rates of recent immigrant men and those of their Canadian-born counterparts has widened substantially"

[url]http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/031008/d031008a.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.cbc.ca/paidtobepoor/immigrants.html[/url]

No les creas a los abogados. Ellos solo quieren ganar dinero. Canada no es el infierno pero tampoco es super sencillo establecerse.

Otra cosa, es mas facil establecerse en ciudades o pueblos mas chicos.

No te quiero espantar con todo esto. Pero es para que estes informado porque muchos llegan como tu, creyendo que todo sera maravilloso y habiendo escuchado los cuentos de los abogados. En primer lugar, tu puedeshacer tu tramite solo sin necesidad de abogado. Y en segundo, mejor investiga por ti mismo la situacion para que veas como hacerle, a donde te conviene ir, etc.

A continuacion, una nota que quiza te haga entender lo que sucede aqui:

The making of Canada’s ‘immigrant underclass’

Andrew Duffy
The Ottawa Citizen

October 25, 2004

For the average male immigrant who came to this country in the 1970s, life was good. Within five years, his chances of being unemployed were lower than those of Canadian-born men. Within 10 years, his yearly earnings caught up to those of the typical Canadian.

But the past two decades have seen a dramatic reversal of fortune.

Today, 10 years after arriving, the average immigrant earns just 80 per cent of what a Canadian-born worker takes home. And, according to 2001 census data, recent immigrants — those living in Canada for less than five years — are much more likely to be unemployed than those born in Canada.

Even though immigrant men are arriving with much more education than their predecessors, their inflation-adjusted earnings fell an average of seven per cent between 1980 and 2000. That fall was not the product of a poor economy, since the earnings of Canadian-born men climbed seven per cent during the same time.

Research shows low-income rates have been rising steadily among immigrants during the past two decades while falling among the Canadian-born. The trend is most pronounced in Canada’s largest cities: Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal.

By almost any measure, newcomers are struggling.

These statistics reflect reality for people such as Faduma Mohamed, a Somali immigrant, and the director of the Somali Youth Association of Toronto. An agricultural scientist with a master’s degree from Germany, Ms. Mohamed says she’s maddened by the inability of Somali professionals and university graduates to secure jobs in Canada.

"How long will it be like this for us?" she asks.

The same question is increasingly being asked by civic politicians, social workers and academics concerned about the rise of an immigrant underclass in this country.

Social scientists in the United States and Europe have developed complex statistical models and definitions to identity underclasses: People who suffer on the margins of society, surrounded by others in similar circumstances, excluded from the job market and other "avenues of upward mobility."

They tend to live, the social scientists say, in neighbourhoods of deep poverty with high unemployment rates, significant welfare dependency and high dropout rates.

A critical feature of an underclass is an inability among the
second-generation — those born into poverty — to make better lives than their parents.

"The reproduction of poverty is really the key issue," explains University of British Columbia professor David Ley, one of the first Canadian academics to study the underclass issue. "The fact that people who are newly arrived to Canada are poor is not news. This has commonly been the case. The immigrant story is a story of struggle and, for most people over the years, it has been a story of struggle and relative success, and greater success for their children.

"So the issue of initial poverty is not new. What would be new is the inter-generational transmission of poverty. That is really the key ingredient of the underclass argument."

Canadians have never felt much need to examine the growth of an underclass, secure in the belief that the country kept the door of opportunity open for all. But eroding incomes among immigrants, when considered alongside troubling drop-out rates of English-as-a-second-language students and the concentration of poverty in immigrant and visible minority neighbourhoods,
raise disturbing possibilities.

"The vast majority of new immigrants are doing well in Toronto: two-thirds or more are doing well. But the problem is that the vast majority of poor people are immigrant or visible minority," says Frances Lankin, president and CEO of the United Way of Greater Toronto.

Indeed, there is a growing body of evidence that suggests the symptoms of an underclass can now be found in Canada’s largest cities.

In April, the United Way of Greater Toronto published a watershed report, Poverty by Postal Code, prepared by the Canadian Council on Social Development. It found that the number of poor Toronto neighbourhoods — neighbourhoods with more than 26 per cent of families living below the poverty line — had increased to 130 in 2001 from 30 just two decades ago.
(The study employed the low-income cutoff designed by Statistics Canada; using this measure, a Toronto family of four would, for instance, be considered poor if their income was less than $36,247 in 2004.)

Researchers discovered that instead of living in mixed socio-economic neighbourhoods as they did 20 years ago, most poor families are now far more concentrated in low-income neighbourhoods. Those same neighbourhoods also possess other troubling characteristics: they tend to be dominated by immigrants and visible minorities.

In 1981, the number of Canadian-born families living in high-poverty neighbourhoods slightly outnumbered immigrant families. By 2001, however, "a major shift had taken place," the researchers concluded, with immigrant families accounting for 62.4 per cent of the total family population in these communities while Canadian-born ones made up just 36.7 per cent.

The shift was consistent with rising poverty rates among immigrants. In 1981, 14.8 per cent of immigrant families lived in poverty; by 2001, it was almost one in four immigrant families (24 per cent). With more immigrants flooding into Toronto each year, that produced a staggering 125-per-cent increase in the overall number of poor immigrants, from 112,000 in 1981 to 252,000 in 2001.

The report, greeted by expressions of deep concern by civic leaders in Toronto, was the latest in a series of recent studies that paint a disturbing picture of an immigrant’s economic life in Canada.

Paradoxically, the deterioration of their economic conditions has occurred during a time when immigrants are coming to Canada with more academic credentials than any of their predecessors. The percentage of newly arrived immigrants with a university degree rose to 34.1 per cent in 2000 from 7.6 per cent in 1980.

The numbers speak to a lack of opportunity for immigrants, even for highly educated newcomers such as Faduma Mohamed. "These studies confirm the feelings people have about the situation of so-called minority communities in Toronto," Ms. Mohamed said. "Many people are frustrated. We have people
who have graduated from Canadian universities — forget about the outside — and they are not getting the jobs …

"We thought it was only us because of our accent, our English is no good and all that thing. But it’s happening to the kids that graduate from here — and that is unacceptable."

Thus, a critical question — and one that is only beginning to be grappled with in Canada — is this: Will the 2.2 million immigrants Canada has settled in the past decade be able to lift themselves out of poverty anytime soon, or are they destined to become the foundation of an immigrant underclass?

Mr. Ley and his colleague, Heather Smith, are trying to provide some answers. They’ve launched a year-long study to determine whether an immigrant underclass has taken hold in Canada’s largest cities.

In doing so, they will revisit their study of 1991 census data that found few immigrant communities in Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver then fit the underclass profile described by American researchers. They concluded: "While the evidence of a full-blown underclass in Canadian cities is slight, the presence of deep poverty is abundantly evident."

A key question, Mr. Ley argues, is whether that poverty has hardened into an enduring feature of the neighbourhoods in which immigrants live. To that end, the new UBC study will assess the economic progress of working-age immigrants, the socio-economic makeup of their neighbourhoods and the educational attainment of their children.

"Education is a really important issue," Mr. Ley says, "because low education levels, specifically high-school dropout rates, are a very important correlant of the underclass scenario. Education is an absolutely central consideration."

The history of immigrants in Canada would suggest there is reason for some optimism.

Canada has traditionally been a place where children born into poor families have a strong chance of earning more than their parents. Statistics Canada researcher Miles Corak has examined "inter-generational mobility" and found that a child born into a poor family in Canada — a family with an income below $28,000 — has only a one-in-four chance of remaining in that same low-income bracket as an adult.

Mr. Corak, however, did not break down his 1998 research to determine if the same story was true for immigrants or visible minorities in Canada. That research, he said, is only now starting.

In Canada, too, immigrant families have traditionally put tremendous emphasis on education, propelling their children to college and university. The 2001 census, for instance, showed that people in their 20s with two foreign-born parents are more likely to have a university degree than those with Canadian-born parents.

"There is an incredible achievement drive," says University of Toronto sociologist Monica Boyd. "Immigrants pick up very quickly the idea that they have to have certain academic credentials to succeed."

What’s more, she argues, there’s reason to believe Canada will not mirror the underclass experience in U.S. cities since this country does not have the same divisive race-relations history, has a better social safety net and does a better job of using general tax revenues to bolster schools in poor neighbourhoods — an important bulwark against the development of an underclass.

There’s no doubt immigrants have suffered economically in Canada during the past decade, Ms. Boyd says. But it could be that immigrants clustered in Toronto and Vancouver compete against each other, limiting job opportunities, driving down wages and inflating real estate, essentially creating an artificial barrier to their own success.

The 2011 census should clarify the picture of what has happened to immigrants living in Canada’s largest cities.

By that time, Ms. Boyd says, the children of the immigrants who have struggled during the 1990s will be adults. Early indications suggest that although well-educated, this generation of newcomers has yet to secure thekind of jobs commensurate with their skills.

"The issue of where these people will be remains to be seen," says Ms. Boyd. "Time will tell."