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octubre 9, 2005 a las 1:49 pm #210316
You are right. And I would add to your comments (once againg)the following:
1. Canada does not need immigrants for economic reasons. Canada can produce its own skilled workers and professionals on its own.
2. The Canadian economy cannot take (and does not need) 200,000 immigrants a year. It is not big enough, and growth rate is moderate.
3. Unemployment (or employment) figures are unrealistic, like 7% or something. Among immigrants with up to two years in the country, unemployment could be around 30% (empirical and ballpark figures).
4. Although Canadians would not admit it, there is racial and ethnic discrimination. The “Canadian experience” story is just a subtle way to do it.
Remember that a large number of Canadians go south of the border for better job opportunities. Their Canadian credentials, qualifications and experience are fully recognized in the U.S. There is not such an “American experience” story. So, in your case, like mine, with U.S. academic background and working experience, it is hard to believe the “Canadian experience” story up here. Face it, discrimination.
5. Sooner or later, the “social assistance system”, welfare or whatever it is called, will collapse. Very simple, a lot of immigrants will demand assistance with no employment opportunities.
6. Finally, an option could be, for immigrants like you and me with “American experience”, survive the next couple of years. Then we get the Canadian citizenship and go to the U.S., like many Canadians do. At the end of the day, we have “American experience” and American education.
So, there are always options and opportunities. It is just a matter of spotting and going after them.
Good luck and best regards…
Rodolfooctubre 9, 2005 a las 2:45 pm #210317
bla bla bla blaoctubre 9, 2005 a las 8:55 pm #210318
Open the door, but not just yet
It’s foolish to invite immigrants in to find work just as Canadian boomers’ children are entering the job market, says demographer DAVID FOOT
Saturday, October 1, 2005
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Governments certainly have their hands full coping with the challenges of slower population growth and aging populations.
This is clearly evident in the federal government’s recent proposal to increase immigration levels. The Prime Minister, in a speech delivered to senior bureaucrats just before the opening of the important fall parliamentary session, argued that more immigrants are needed to bolster the labour force and help an economy challenged by an aging population. He also noted that more has to be done to ensure their successful integration and recognize their professional skills.
Based on these observations, Immigration Minister Joe Volpe is currently preparing a plan for cabinet that would, over five years, increase the numbers of immigrants from recent annual levels of around 235,000 to at least 1 per cent of the population — a figure that could reach 340,000 in five years.
This is not a new policy. The Liberal government has been on record since at least its 1993 campaign Red Book, which Mr. Martin co-wrote, to favour an increase in immigration to 1 per cent of the population. Yet the annual intake has always fallen well below the target.
While it may have been demographically appropriate to raise immigration levels over the past decade as labour-force growth slowed — a reflection of the pill-induced birth dearth of the late 1960s and 1970s — it is not good demographic policy today.
The children of the boomers — the so-called echo boom born over the 1980s and early 1990s — are now starting to enter the labour force. Over the next decade, Canada’s priority should be to generate jobs for this young talent already living here. Moreover, their boomer parents are not about to retire en masse to make room for them. The peak of the baby boom, born around 1960, is currently aged 45 and will not be retiring for at least another 15 to 20 years.
Certainly, some early boomers now in their mid-50s are retiring. However, these retirements tend to be in selected occupations where physical demands have always required earlier retirement (military, police, firefighters) or where union contracts have provided full pension coverage after long service (public servants, teachers, auto workers). But most boomers are not in these categories. Many are working to actively save for their retirement. This is why wealth management has become a growth area for banks and other financial institutions.
Meanwhile, the boomers’ children currently in their teens and early 20s have been flooding into post-secondary education. Colleges and universities are having difficulty accommodating and finding the funding for the increasing demand in many regions of the country. These echo boomers are now just starting to graduate and enter the labour market. Will there be sufficient jobs for these up-to-date, enthusiastic new workers? Is it good policy to have them competing with ever more immigrants who are also dominantly in their 20s and early 30s?
Canada’s future is based on these new young workers, and increasing competition among them for jobs is an unnecessary, unfair and unwise policy.
People have always been mobile in their 20s and early 30s — after completing their education and before settling down with children in school. This is as true for Canadians moving around the country as it is for immigrants moving to Canada. Young adults are attracted by the allure of vibrant cities. They love noise and action. Many leaders of smaller communities lament the loss of young talent. But asking youthful immigrants to settle in smaller and remote communities is unlikely to meet with success, since they too will want to gravitate to cities.
As always, there are specific regional and occupational shortages. The Alberta oil patch is projecting substantial manpower shortages. The construction industry worries about shortages of workers with construction skills. These specific worker shortages should be solved with a targeted strategy, such as the expansion of relevant apprenticeship programs or the global recruitment of workers in selected occupations, not with a general increase in immigration levels.
As part of a targeted strategy for recruiting immigrants, we should recognize that future immigrants will come from countries with population bulges in the high mobility ages, namely the 20s. These are not the countries of Europe, even Eastern Europe. Plummeting fertility over the past 20-plus years throughout Europe means that European countries are aging even faster than Canada. The same is true in East Asia. Japan is the most rapidly aging country in the world and the implementation of the one-child policy in China means that it will soon experience a shortage of new young workers.
So where will Canada’s future immigrants come from? Turkey is the only country in Europe with a significant population bulge in the 20s. The countries of Latin and South America are likely sources, as are the countries of South Asia. Recent inflows from India, Pakistan and Venezuela (to the oil patch) are examples of global demographic trends at work.
Labour-market shortages may develop after the echo boom finishes entering the labour market about a decade from now. Until then, Canada must focus on attracting its energetic young people into occupations most needed in the future (health care, skilled trades). Increasing immigration now will drain resources from this important mission and could lead to further resentment as these new immigrants compete with young Canadians for jobs.
Planning to increase immigration levels a decade from now when the boomers are retiring and their children are integrated into the work force makes demographic sense. Doing it now does not.
David K. Foot, professor of economics at the University of Toronto, is co-author of the bestselling books Boom Bust & Echo 2000: Profiting from the Demographic Shift in the New Millennium and Boom Bust & Echo: How to Profit from the Coming Demographic Shift.
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» Columnistsoctubre 9, 2005 a las 9:26 pm #210319
De los 225,000 a 250,000 immigrantes al anio que vienen a Canada, la mayoria son del 5 o 10% de las familias adineradas de Asia, Africa, el Medio Oriente y Latinoamerica (he conocido mexicanos de aspecto humilde como muchos sudamericanos suelen llamarlos, que de humilde no tienen nada, tienen aspecto indigena pero bien alimentados, y muchos se han venido con sus fortunitas (que como las hicieron, eso no lo se, pero han venido a comprar casa, carro, a poner negocios y no andan buscando trabajo desesperadamente, pues tienen tanto dinero para pasarla tranquilos por unos cuantos anios, pero es que los mexicanos(as), son los latinoamericanos mas feos(as) pero con mas suerte en Latinoamerica) Tambien viene gente adinerada africana (imposible de creerlo, pero ellos pertenecen a las minorias adineradas de muchos paises africanos, que ya no quieren vivir en el caos africano. Tambien conozco familias adineradas centroamericanas (todavia mas dificil de creerlo, pues tienen el look "humilde" pero son muy toscos (especialmente los hondurenios). El fin de semana pasada en un restaurante de uno de estos nuevos hondurenios en Canada, platicando con una de ellas, me entere que hace como tres meses emigraron a Canada 60 hondurenos, todos integrantes de una misma familia (ninos, abuelos, tios, primos, etc. etc., vinieron con su propio dinero como landed immigrants.
En mi vecindario, conozco familias de Bangladesh (talves habran oido hablar de este pais vecino de la India, que se inunda todos los anios y hay una pobreza terrible. Bueno para no cansarles estos Bangladeshis o Bengaleses son millonarios, pues las casas en que vivien no valen menos de medio millon de dolares canadienses, tienen carros del anio, van a Bangladesh una vez al anio todos los miembros de la familia (el pasaje a Bangladesh cuesta 2,000 dolares) ah y otro aspecto todos tienen aspecto "humilde" pero musulman.
En conclusion, Canada seguira trayendo immigrantes/fortunas pues es un negocio redondo. Canada es para todos estos millonarios immigrantes como el Miami de las elites adineradas y los militares latinoamericanos modernos y/o cubanos del tiempo de Batista.
Patoctubre 10, 2005 a las 6:33 pm #210320
y mas bla bla blaoctubre 10, 2005 a las 10:13 pm #210321
Luis vos sos o te haces?
Esto es muy triste y nos pasa a casi todos los inmigrantes .octubre 11, 2005 a las 12:36 am #210322
I have landed in Canada for at least over 6 months, I had been trying to find a job really hard, whatever I tried, people just trying to fool you around and treat you like a complete idiot without telling you anything .
Is it how it is in Canada as a new immigrant?!
I have tried going to HRDC, recruiters, straight forward to employers…etc. None of them give you any information , just simply humiliate you and laugh at you, they don’t even take resume from you. I don’t understand what this attitude is about.
Pedrooctubre 11, 2005 a las 9:28 am #210323
Olga puede ser que sea triste pero es la realidad, esto solo demuestra que la gente que esta llegando o los recien llegados no tienen ni hicieron la mas minima investigacion de lo que esta pasando aqui y de lo que dicen todos los inmigrantes apenas te conocen, si quieres venir a Canada bienvenido seas, mas sim embargo tienes que estar dispuesto a vivir con tus medios economicos al menos de 6 meses a un 1 año sin conseguir ningun tipo de trabajo (nada de nada), despues de ese lapso puede ser que consigas tus primeras oportunidades, bien sencillas y modestas pero al menos empiezas a tener lo que aqui llaman la famosa "experiencia canadiense", en mi caso tarde 8 meses en conseguir un muy humilde trabajo (ya casi nos habiamos raspado todo lo que nos habiamos traido) sin embargo llego la oportunidad y ahora despues de tres años te puedo decir que valio la pena. Mucha suerte y no desesperes que tu oportunidad y la de muchos otros que vinieron buscando una meta esta mas cerca de lo que creen, solo sigue perseverando y lo vas a lograr, mucha suerte.octubre 16, 2005 a las 8:20 pm #210324
Por favor escribe en español que no te entiendo mamita….
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