Que sera de la vida de Tim Horton-Wuilmer??

Bueno, Tenia razon TIM, CANADA es un desastre laboral. Mi prima esta alla desempleada, ella es Publicista. Tiene 2 años sin trabajar, puro trabajos de 4ta categoria, o sea muy mala paga. Ella esta pensando en irse USA.

Andreina.

Otro Mas que habla en base a solo su experiencia, no puedes generalizar todo solo porque a ti te fue bien. Busca la cifras oficiales de inmigrantes desempleados y te daras cuenta que la mayoria de los inmigrantes en Canada tienen terribles problemas de desempleo. Esa es el promedio estadistico.

Perdona la duro de mis palabras, pero hay que decir la realidad de la grave situacion laboral de CANADA.

Javier.

05/16/2005 : 23:41:29
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This is was my share in dicussion with regard to finding a job in Canada.

When someone takes the step and decide to immigrate to Canada, he expects some support from the country. As he needs Canada as his new home, Canada wants him too for its development. So, how come Canada opens its arms for immigrants and meanwhile they land and find no jobs to share with its development. I mean, there is something missing in the equation. If I invite someone to my house to help me develope that house, I am obliged to support him somehow till he gets his stability and start his production. Wellfare is not the answer. Most of us (immigrants) did have good jobs and middle life style at our home countries, and we want accept wellfare even from our own families. The matter is also self satisfaction that never happens that way.

Shortly, we expect that Canada should, as example motivate employers by lower tax rates if they employ immigrants at their organizations and that tax reduction to be imposed for a linmited time, also, to reduce the income tax for immigrants till they get the passports to pass that early days of working in low paid jobs.

More other options could help balance the equation. They really have to address our issues.

I am Egyptian with PR Status and currently working in Dubai, United Arab Emirates as a Pro Engineer having 20 y of exp and with an income equal to over CAN$ 80,000. Do you expect that I will leave such job and start roaming in Canada for a job that would not pay more than half of that.

Why I want to immigrate to Canada, for better high education of my kids. Canada is very cheap in that regard.

I really wanted to land and get a proper job in Canada and start building for the future of my kids who one day will be Canadians and help with its development. But how can I do that now. I am have almost gave up and will withdraw the idea of maintinaing my PR and seeking the passport.

Thats All.

Saleh

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ramesh

Mississauga
1 Posts
Posted – 05/26/2005 : 11:17:18
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Yes my freind you are right. I am also in PR status and my family still living in Canada. I am away for the moment because I could not get the proper job. The job I got (after very hard search) was of very lower one and i find very difficult to maintain my living standard. I could not find the answer why I can get job abroad of my profession and not in Canada. Nobody is trained by birth. We all learn by doing. Why the Canadian government or the companies do not understand this and give opportunity to work?

RA

Ramesh

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cosolo

Toronto
1 Posts
Posted – 06/17/2005 : 17:05:32
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Hi I am not an immigrant. I was born in Canada. My parents immigrated from Italy in the 50s. Many of my friends are new immigrants from India, Pakistan and Japan. The most unfortunate thing I’ve found is people who have huge expectations and are extremely disappointed when they actually live here

The difference between immigration in those days and now is:
1950s
– immigrants are poor people from poor countries or refugees.
– Immigrants – Their education is minimal but they are willing to work hard, sacrifice and save.
– Refugees – may have been rich and educated but are happy to be alive. There is no going back as certain death or imprisonment awaits
– there are no jobs for them in their homeland
– they are willing to take the dirtist, hardest most dangerous jobs
– probably don’t speak english but it doesn’t matter as they will work in construction or factories
– their wages are very good compared to home. Their pay may be 5 times higher than in their homeland. They can save, support relatives back home, raise a family

Today
– immigrants are rich and well educated people from poor countries they represent the top 5% of educated/wealthy people in their country. They are respected and may have servants.
– Some believe they can fit into the top part of Canadian society. Canada may be attractive for its safety or kids education.
– Some can go into their profession (IT types)
– Others (doctors, lawyers, teachers etc) will end up delivering pizza, driving taxi cabs and flipping burgers at least in the short term. They will live in high rise or basement apartments in bad areas their kids who may have gone to private schools back home now hand around with the wrong crowd. Instead of the top 5% they are now in the bottom 25% of Canadian society. They definitely will not have servants and will need to do everything themselves.

Why is this?
– The government allows professional associations and unions to regulate themselves. It is in the associates and its members interest to keep competing workers out of their fields. This includes not just immigrants but professionals from other provinces. (Did you know that unionised Ontario construction workers are not allowed to work in Quebec?)
– Everyone today is more educated so having a univerity degree is no longer a rare thing but is now the minimum for a job
– Employers do not trust immigrant resumes and have no way of checking them. If someone claims degrees of great job expoerience in their homeland how can this be checked? Canadian experience can be checked with a phone call.
– Canadian experience. Immigrants hate this phrase but the truth is all of us (including Canadian born) have worked through factory, construction, retail, hamburger jobs. In the case of Canadians we do it during summers in high school and university and in part time jobs. By the time we graduate we have worked in many places that can serve as references.

The truth of immigration is:
If you start from nothing and make something you are satisfied.
If you start from something and become nothing you are bitter.

Before you leave your country ask yourself these questions:
– Am really bad off here?
– Have I done my research about how easy/hard life is in Canada? Can I trust my sources (Canadian government, friends who immigrated). Sometimes your friends in Canada are failures but portray themselves as successes to save their pride. Don’t let them fool you.
– Am I willing to start from the bottom?
– What is so great about Canada?
– Is there another place where I can make a new life or get enough money to come back a hero?

Regarding starting a business:
A friend from India was rich in India. His dad owne a factory as did all his and his wife’s relatives. Running the bussiness was just a question of playing golf and asking for contract from acquantances.He came to Canada and tried repeatedly to start businessed. Repeatedly he failed. Those businesses already exist. He has no contacts here and no one has an obligation to give him anything.

Sorry for the depressing reality check but I hope it helps someone out there.

Regards,
Andrew

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ralph

scarborough
4 Posts
Posted – 06/27/2005 : 22:38:30
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Hi Andrew,

Your views made interesting reading.

Well to begin,I am a new comer from India. I was fully aware of the fact that life is not a cake walk but still I choose to come. It’s like falling in love, you just bye-pass reality, and wake up when it bites one day.

My honeymoon living in Toronto lasted almost a month where I felt it the next alternative to paradise!!! I got a job in sales with an Energy company in the second week of my arrival. Sales were on commission basis. We needed to wait for 5 weeks for the cheque to come only to realise that the guy we reported to manipulated most of the deals to his favour! Many of the Sales/ Marketing jobs with fancy descriptions are just call centre jobs. Fancy hrly wages are fake. A new Co. places regualr ads. in all the popular dailies that they pay $23/hr for registration and verifiaction. Hall packed with people wait patiently for the delayed interview session to start, only to be told that those who are come for admn. post will get $10/- and the " big bucks" are in sales. Each person for sales is called in turn for a personal interview and told he will be paid only a commission!

The govt. needs to help new competent immigrants by giving a quota in certain occupations. Consider the fact that govt. supports so many areas – eduction is free, Hospitalisation is free, benefits are given to the elderly and to the employee’s who are laid off work. The Govt./corporates need to help new immigrants to integrate into the system. Will anyone listen??!!
Ralph

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Deepakkumar

Ottawa
9 Posts
Posted – 07/15/2005 : 20:50:33
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Very good words from Andrew. I think he knows very well the reality.

However, I don’t understand why the goverment insists in immigration of skilled workers if they are not needed. Can you imagine how so frustrating and so impacting is for newcomer to face this reality ?
The government and the mainstream are making immigration just a business! real state, goverment agencies, companies are receiving benefits. What the innocent newcomers obtain ? serious demages and emotional suffering…this not Canada, is a nightmare.

I really believe the should be compensated for this fiasco. Why the government don’t suspend or reduce skilled professionals immigration at least ?

Some immigrants are organizing a "class action". A "class action" is a collective lawsuit where one party consists of a group of people sharing a common legal position or suffering a common problem with respect to the opposing party. Legal expenses are shared by the group. I think it will help no only to compensate the damage caused to many immigrants, but to help to force a change in the immigration policies.

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asadiiwe

Ajax
1 Posts
Posted – 07/20/2005 : 13:59:32
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Dear Andrew
You did a very correct comparison of those immigratns who came earlier and the immigrants coming now a days.But tell me who is at fault, the new immigrants or the Govt. who still allowing people to migrate from their home land in the lure of good life.
The Government must support the new immigrants in finding and placing them in moderate jobs till the time they improve their education or skills as per the canadian standard.
Leaving them in the middle of the ocean can not help them in any way. That’s why about thirty percent of the immigrants preferred to go back to their country of origin.

Asad

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Heck

Venezuela
2 Posts
Posted – 07/26/2005 : 10:44:47
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Guys.
I’m getting scared, I haven’t started my process just yet and I already wanna stop it.
I’ve been offered a job in Edmonton (I hope this is ok with you for me to intrude in your Ontario forum). I haven’t got my letter of offer but they (the hiring company) tell me they are in the process of sending it, besides we have talked a little about how much it will cost the company to move me and my family from Venezuela to Canada so it seems pretty serious.
I’ve read your statements that the tough time immigrants are going thru is all across the country. Do you think I’ll suffer the same fate even having a job offer?. I mean, all I’m reading is about people going to Canada and looking for jobs upon arrival.
What do you guys think?

Hector Emilio

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prudent

Delhi
5 Posts
Posted – 08/20/2005 : 22:45:22
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I read a lot of people writing that the Canadian government is luring new immigrants into their country and offering no jobs, etc., etc. I have never seen or heard about any such campaign on part of Canadian government. My applying was a conscentious decision because I want to a lead a better life in a developed nation, free of snarls of a developing country. It is only logical that if you want to be a part of an advanced society you have to work hard towards it. There is no free lunch anywhere. Canadian government has no business providing any quotas to new immigrants. They need people and the money the immigrants bring in, hence an open door policy. Immigrants need a better place to live, hence they go to Canada. As simple as that. Can’t take the struggles that await, don’t go. If you decide to go, quit complaining.

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kamikami

Delhi
55 Posts
Posted – 08/22/2005 : 07:58:58
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I figured I should contribute to this discussion as well. Going by the various opinions of the prevalent employment situation in Canada, I have decided to go for a professional law degree in Canada. It would take anohter 3-4 years for me to fully enter the job market. I would have had to wait for that long any way. So, I figured a Canadian professional degree would be the best way to do it – instead of sitting idle or taking up cash jobs.

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COLOMBIA2

mississauga
4 Posts
Posted – 08/26/2005 : 16:49:28
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Thank you for tell the truth, we all have to think twice before take a decision, as living our countries, but you are right.

Thanks again,

Bye

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Deepakkumar

Ottawa
9 Posts
Posted – 08/28/2005 : 15:46:07
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Most of people cannot AFFORD studying a new career again.

I think nobody came here to "sit idle" or stay in cash jobs. Many are on their 30’s or 40’s and must pay high bills to support themselves and family working in anything they can find in this expensive country.

In my case, I don’t need any Canadian degree because I have certifications, experience and evaluation of my foreign degree, which has been WORTHLESS when trying to find a professional job and my field, which is not "regulated". A Canadian degree may "help", but doesn’t guarantee a good job either. There is too much competition. Why ? to decrease the cost of labor in Canada, in order to promote adventages to foreign investment: that is the equation. Immigrants are the ones who are paying the highest price because of the discriminative barriers.

In USA the competition is not so high. Canadian Doctors go to US because they get better income in USA, that is part of the health system crisis. The competition in US for residents is less, more jobs, better salaries and cost of life is less costly.

I don’t know why Immigration Canada still insists in this non-sense high immigration policy in a small economy unable to absorb profesionals. It’s not working…or is it ? and for whom ?…

Good luck.

Deepak

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I figured I should contribute to this discussion as well. Going by the various opinions of the prevalent employment situation in Canada, I have decided to go for a professional law degree in Canada. It would take anohter 3-4 years for me to fully enter the job market. I would have had to wait for that long any way. So, I figured a Canadian professional degree would be the best way to do it – instead of sitting idle or taking up cash jobs.

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whiterabbit

Ottawa
9 Posts
Posted – 09/02/2005 : 18:11:24
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cosolo,

I’m not Canadian born but I’m Canadian university educated and somewhat Canadian job experienced. I’m not a skilled immigrant, I came to here to join my spouse who’s a Canadian guy. Why am I treated lower than my classmates on the job market even though I graduated top of my class?

All,
Think beforehand if obtaining a local degree would really make your life better.

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dgn03

FL
2 Posts
Posted – 09/06/2005 : 12:22:59
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I don’t know why Immigration Canada still insists in this non-sense high immigration policy in a small economy unable to absorb profesionals. It’s not working…or is it ? and for whom ?…

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but it is working. enormous amounts of money is coming into the country which helps the economy. the policy won’t change either. you have immigrants going back home out of frustration pretty much at the same rate that more are entering.

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Deepakkumar

Ottawa
9 Posts
Posted – 09/10/2005 : 14:27:37
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Think about this :

– USA, with 300 million population accepts legally only 100,000 immigrants/year, most of them with good jobs contracts ready under H1-B visas.
– Canada, with only 30 million population accepts 320,000/year !!!, with no contracts and very low job offer because of oversupply.

Oversupply of skilled workers is good for corporations, taxes generation, capital investment, etc. Who established these policies ? Is this what Canadians want? We should not stop complaining. Actually, we have to complain more seriously.

This is a very interesting posting that explain very well the situation in Canada.

"… September 2,
I agree with many of the posters on this site that it is horrible when a person cannot find work to match their skill level. But I would also argue that intellectually individuals have to recognize that there are more skilled workers available globally than there is need for them in the marketplace.

All OECD countries, almost simultaneously, publicized a skilled worker shortage to attract immigrants to their shores in the hope to meet professed demand indicated by employers. But such demand has not been adequately demonstrated and key statistics are not revealed to the public detailing the number of annual job openings by profession versus the number of degrees conferred in those professions or migrant numbers with those skills. The result has been an overwhelming oversupply of skilled workers resulting in depressed/lowered wages, weakened labor unions and protections and more competition. Increased competition has expressed itself through professional associations increasing credential requirements, universities expanding program lengths, employers asking for more experience or local experience, decreased morale, workplace stress and stagnant “real” productivity. It would be wrong to blame an average Canadian citizen for this policy because our government did not consult people over this decision – but consulted corporations.

Many posters on this site seem to think that Canada is somehow more culpable for its failure to utilize immigrants skills in the workplace; however the USA accepts much fewer skilled workers per year (<100,000 USA H- visas per year) compared to 320,000 in Canada. USA skilled worker visas (below masters level) requires employers prove that local residents are not available or do not have the skills required to perform the job; no such restriction exists in Canada. The difference is made even more significant by the relative population levels and the relative education levels of citizens in both nations. In the USA, with a jobless recovery, there are also many local citizens speaking out against immigration policies that adversely affect American workers.

I agree that Canadians should do whatever they can to ensure new immigrants are welcomed into Canadian society; however I do think there should be a broader recognition that the problem we face results from a global oversupply of skilled workers and that if Canada continues to increase the number of labour-ready individuals without demand for their services then there will be a no-win situation for all Canadians…."

I would add : Under this horribly overloaded system environment, Canadians born still keep discriminative barriers and practices and they actually win: they enjoy the good positions and income that this high immigration-boosted economy generates. Finally, mostly innocent immigrants are the ones who pay for the income of the mainstream.

Good luck.

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cosolo,

I’m not Canadian born but I’m Canadian university educated and somewhat Canadian job experienced. I’m not a skilled immigrant, I came to here to join my spouse who’s a Canadian guy. Why am I treated lower than my classmates on the job market even though I graduated top of my class?

All,
Think beforehand if obtaining a local degree would really make your life better.

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Samy

mississauga
50 Posts
Posted – 09/12/2005 : 07:48:39
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Hi
All of you gave a good idea of the situation, particularly Andrew did a good account of the reality.
Let me tell my eeling:
Competition in job market in a developed country like Canada is HIGH. You have to be a qualified professional and also be able to acquire that status as per Canadian standards.
In my view, Canada offers an opportunity to upgrade your professional standards, if you enter at a right time (i.e. not after the age of 30-35 years). I do not agree with Saleh that after getting a PR status, do the job elsewhere, consequently he may land up in trouble when going for next level in PR or citizenship.
Canada is the only country which welcomes all and offers a big opportunities to develop and grow and a time-tested peaceful society with cultural diverity.

Samy

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whiterabbit

Ottawa
9 Posts
Posted – 09/12/2005 : 14:06:04
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Think about this :

– USA, with 300 million population accepts legally only 100,000 immigrants/year, most of them with good jobs contracts ready under H1-B visas.
– Canada, with only 30 million population accepts 320,000/year !!!, with no contracts and very low job offer because of oversupply.

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US immigration web sites state that the reason to issue H1Bs is that it helps to bring talented workers into the US. Talent doesn’t depend on the place of birth. I don’t know how close to 100% it works but in this way they might get employees that are the best in the world, better and cheaper than the available locals. Can somebody give me an argument why in Canada the competition is not based on talent and skills by any means?

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Deepakkumar

Ottawa
9 Posts
Posted – 09/15/2005 : 22:23:47
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It’s very clear:

"…Increased competition has expressed itself through professional associations increasing credential requirements, universities expanding program lengths, employers asking for more experience or local experience, decreased morale, workplace stress and stagnant “real” productivity. It would be wrong to blame an average Canadian citizen for this policy because our government did not consult people over this decision – but consulted corporations…"

Extreme competition is only good for corporations and the mainstream who has the "network" to enjoy the best opportunities.
Some years before, companies received an aceptable level of 50 to 100 resumes for one job posting…now they receive 1000 ! many of them very good resumes that become invisible. It’s this good for immigrants and the average canadian ? of course not…this is good someone else.
Newcomers get marginalized because of lack of "contacts" since "networking" become the only way to get good positions. If you analize the organization charts in companies will discover that mainly white-maintream canadian born are always in the top positions. Comparing with USA, the competition is not so extreme…so what the heck is going on in Canada ? who wants to force the economic growth in such a cruel level or what is the purpose behind ?

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Think about this :

– USA, with 300 million population accepts legally only 100,000 immigrants/year, most of them with good jobs contracts ready under H1-B visas.
– Canada, with only 30 million population accepts 320,000/year !!!, with no contracts and very low job offer because of oversupply.

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US immigration web sites state that the reason to issue H1Bs is that it helps to bring talented workers into the US. Talent doesn’t depend on the place of birth. I don’t know how close to 100% it works but in this way they might get employees that are the best in the world, better and cheaper than the available locals. Can somebody give me an argument why in Canada the competition is not based on talent and skills by any means?

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jaime Londono

Toronto
1 Posts
Posted – 09/16/2005 : 06:23:07
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I agree with you. My question is why if Canadian Government Knows about the hard situation immigrants will have when arriving in Canada the information is not so clear when you are applying. Knowing the real situation you will face is more fair when you are taking the decision to move with your family. It is a very big decision in our lives. Immigrants have the rigth to know the real situation in Canada when applying for an immigration visa.
Who is taking care of the stress, conflict and depression many immigrants have to face after several years trying to find a proffessional job in Canada ?.

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Deepakkumar

Ottawa
9 Posts
Posted – 09/17/2005 : 12:50:58
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It is IMPOSSIBLE to integrate properly 320,000 immigrants /year in a 30 million population economy like the Canadian.

This is about PEOPLE with goals and hope (…and money) who is immigrating to create a new life, no tourist who spend 3 weeks in the country.

It seems the system strategy is to generate more income, acting as a "revolving-turning over" immigration system where the 50% (or more) of frustrated newcomers who leave Canada after a few months or two years, are replaced for the next "delivery" of 320,000 coming the next year, and so on.

Oversupply of labor decreases its cost and generate more taxes and income to bureaucracy and profits to investors and corporations. Check out this article in KPMG website:

"Canada Ranks First as Least Costly Place to do Business"

[url]http://www.kpmg.ca/en/news/pr20040218.html[/url]

"…Salary and wage costs in Canada rank second after Italy…"
"…Cost for statutory holidays and other benefits (as a percentage of payroll) rank lowest in Canada …"

Immigration has to be done with responsibility ! The government cannot force economy growth based on this cruel immigration system, generating a so extreme and cruel level of competition.

Good luck to all.

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Samy

mississauga
50 Posts
Posted – 09/18/2005 : 10:52:12
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Hi
I would again like to mention that if you have a professional degree from any country, a professional association or any Assessment Agency in Canada considers that passionately. Further depending upon the assessment any shortage or inadequacy of courses is clearly told back and the applicant has the opportunity to upgrade or take the course. And it is also clear that in certain countries some of those courses are either too short for a credit or so. There are certain high talent institutions which are highly competitive, products from these institutions have normally no problem in course-by-course assessments. The opportunity offered in Canada for upgrading or filling in the relevant course is a BIG to the immigrants.
In case of US, its a head hunting of the talent and for employment its still a microscopic evaluation. Even some of the foreign students in US universities also find it difficult to break the requirement barrier. Now the hunted talent is not directly emigrating, this talent has to undergo many ‘blues and reds’ and since their status is not of a landed immigrant. And its a pure talent trade.
Lastly, that ‘talent’ is in everybody, the difference is the degree from hi-fi institutions. And NOT all can graduate from these high-rated insittutions in our countries. I find here in Canada there are ways to nurture your talent to any limit. Only thing is to work hard and study to know the path thru.
I think >>>>>thats a big difference when considering to live and work in a new country.
So I would say the Canadian way is more humanistic, constructive and growth-oriented, where as US is a pure trading of the talent that too without any immigrant status.

Samy

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Jim_Davis

Toronto
8 Posts
Posted – 09/18/2005 : 14:05:17
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Mr. Kumar made a good point.

Actually, that’s the reason why France vote negatively to the "European Union Constitution" : The reason was that the proposal involved to integrate millions of cheap labor from Eastern European countries to France, Germany and other developed countries, who will eventually cause an oversupply of labor. This has a lot to do with Globalization that has been related to the criticized "neoliberalism" ideas.

Something similar is going on now in Canada. The oversupply of skilled labor from abroad provide more people to feed the economy, control the internal costs of labor (skilled or not skilled), and create more business transactions made by new consumers who estimate the economy and therefore, corporations investments, growth and expansion.

Economic growth is good. I don’t see anything wrong in economic growth, but it’s a reality the immigrants in Canada suffer big time because of the incapacity of this economy to assimilate and integrate the big number of qualified newcomers.

Immigration Canada and other government departments and agencies are very bureaucratic and politicized. If there were professional jobs in Canada there is no valid reason for the "job search agencies" to exist. We are paying taxes for services to immigrants that would not be necessary if immigration was reduced in 50%, because newcomers could get jobs by themselves easily with less competition.

Government gives priority to foreign investment and macroeconomic policies and don’t care too much about the suffering of people in the bottom. They know what’s going on.

Some immigrants are starting a “class action” to sue the government for what they call a “fiasco” in regards to immigration policy. I think they are right. There is no reason to have to make “volunteer jobs for years” or have to wait for 5 years to get a descent professional job in Canada.

Perhaps the government is been receiving pressure from external forces, the reality is that the government seems to be abusing the system in the last 5-7 years.

Regards,

Jim

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rafaperez

Bogotá
2 Posts
Posted – 09/20/2005 : 09:53:07
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I would like to make an opinion about this subject.
As a matter of fact, the decision to immigrate is a personal decision, and depends on the surrounding environments of everyone, and of course is a big challenge. In addition to that, the Canadian government never tells that you going to find a job for sure.
But in our case, in Latin America, the advantage of Canada is huge:
1. Access to an educational & health system at low cost for our children. (I am not talking about how good is the system, which is better than our, but only the access)
2. Access to a secure pension plan and a quiet and sure elderly.
3. Access to more civic society with less violence, better public services and less corruption in the government.
4. Access to affordable housing, loans, and credit in general, at lower interest.
I know that the big problem is the real recognition of our skills & diplomas and the unemployment rate. But it is the same problem in our countries. For instance in Latin America the unemployment rate is between 13 % and 20 %, and in Canada is 9 %. And in any case, the standard of living is much better.
Anyway, I just want to talk about these things that I though were missing in the discussion.
Sincerely
RPA
PD. Sorry for any mistake in English grammar.

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imolinar

Kitchener
3 Posts
Posted – 09/20/2005 : 18:54:22
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I am also from Colombia, and after five years of living in Canada I can tell you this:
1. Education and Health are free. BUT, primary/secundary education standards are very low compare to Colombia standards. I met a kid the other day telling me that he was learning here what he learned in Colombia 3 years ago, not much discipline either. So I prefer the education in Colombia much better. Universities are better. Health is not that good either, you have to wait up to 1 year for an appointment with an specialist, so it’s free (almost) but what??, if you cannot have quick access to it. Some people even go to US because they cannot afford to wait that long, and not everything is covered.
2. Access to a secure pension plan and a quiet and sure elderly?
Where???. The goverment is not going to give you much once you retire, impossible to live with that. You have to get RRSP’s which are very similar to the savings we have to do in Colombia thru private companies. So I don’t see the advantage…
3. Ok, that I agree
4.affordable housing???. That I am not completely sure. Some places such as Toronto/Vancouver you can expect to pay starting 200000 dollars for a house being lucky (the cheapest ones)….,and if you dont find a job in your profession and work for 10/hour how can you afford it?
Do your research before coming…

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jamesonandwater

New York City
2 Posts
Posted – 09/20/2005 : 19:59:54
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Jim Davis: France, like pretty much every Western European country, desperately needs immigrants both to keep their populations at replacement level and especially to support their welfare and pension commitments in the decades to come. Politicians’ appeals to xenophobia have nothing to do with the economic issues involved.

Western Europe for the most part imports unskilled and semi-skilled labour, of course. Canada has gone an entirely different route. So I’m not understanding your comparison.

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coupleapt

Toronto
5 Posts
Posted – 09/21/2005 : 03:24:34
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Regarding your points

1.There are public education and health systems. However, the health system is hard pressed when it comes to surgery wait times. You can check it out on several websites, but sometimes seeing a specialist will take many months, maybe even a year. However, for a public health and education system compared to Latin America it does function well.
2. If you did not save money in a private RRSP you’ll face hard times. You shouldn’t depend on the government for your pension. Although the government takes away a per centage of your salary each month, if you don’t earn a lot it won’t be enough for your retirement.According to Statistics Canada, 45 per cent of elderly people living alone live in poverty. You can check this out at Statistics Canada, search for Statistics Canada, Income Distributions by Size in Canada 1995.
Be wise and save your own money.
3. Accurate.
4. If you live in a large city housing is not so affordable. The average price of a house in Vancouver is $360,000. According to Royal Banks latest house affordability study the average person in Vancouver can not afford a house. Loans and credit…well, that depends how high your interest rate is. In general, there are more social housing assistance programs in Canada than in many parts of Latin America.

Although the employment rate in Canada is lower than in Latin America, the low income rate and unemployment rate is higher for immigrants. For example, according to Statistics Canada

"Despite a massive increase in their educational attainment, recent immigrant men employed on a full-year, full-time basis saw their real earnings fall 7% on average from 1980 to 2000, according to a new study based on census data. During the same period, however, real earnings of Canadian-born men went up 7%."

[url]http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/031008/d031008a.htm[/url]

and this study done in British Columbia shows that:

"Persons of Arab or West
Asian descent had the highest
unemployment rate at approximately 21
per cent as did the youth with Latin
American heritage. Youth with
Southeast Asian heritage (such as
Vietnamese, Malaysian, Indonesian, etc.)
also had rates well above those of nonvisible
minority youth….

Whether the youth is Canadian-born or
an immigrant has a large impact on
unemployment rates. Among most
immigrants, unemployment rates are
considerably higher than their
Canadian-born ethnic counterparts, and
unemployment improves, the longer
they live in Canada."

[url]http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/pubs/eet/eet0306.pdf#search=[/url]’unemployment%20immigrant%20population%20canada’

I’m not trying to scare you. Just to point out that enjoying the many benefits of living in Canada is much more difficult for immigrants who face a harder time making a decent wage and finding a job. It doesn’t mean that all immigrants are poor or discriminated, but nevertheless it is a factor that lowers the beauty of this country or makes it harder to enjoy.

Bueno tanta cosas que dijeron de mi, Olga y Tim Horton, y ahora son verdad bueno que les puedo decir welcome to real show, esto es el verdadero Canada, menos mal que ya empezo a salir la verdad, contada no solo por mi, sino por otros foristas, y claro siempre hay personas como el halcon milenium (sin Han Solo) y mister RJR, que porque les fue bien a ellos, los demas son perdedores y no continuan en la busqueda, sera que quieren que la gente continue por toda la eternidad buscando un trabajo?, les repito lo mismo que dije hace meses y ahora me acompaña Javier, revisen las estadisticas de gente exitosa y los que no, y veran por ustedes mismos………

Real, nadie niega lo difícil de establecerse en Canada. Mas no es imposible. Yo comparto muchas de tus apreciaciones. Y en baso a eso concluyo que para medio tener exito en Canada necesitas mucha experiencia, no solo laboral, sino haber vivido en Norteamerica, entender la cultura y hablar muy bien el idioma.

Ese fue mi caso, y con todo empece por debajito y ahi voy, poco a poco, lento pero seguro. Lo que si considero un crimen es que los requisitos para emigrar a en mi opinion son muy bajos. Quiza es por ello que muchos con minimo de "background" califican, vienen y no lograr establecerse.

Tambien me parece que en base a requisitos tan bajos muchos vienen a tirar la parada y salen con las tablas en la cabeza. Emigrar es serio y hay que estar bien seguro de lo que se va a hacer.

Ahora de alli a que no se puede, seran espejismos lo que he visto, Colombianos, Argentinos, Salvadoreños, Cubanos, Hindues, Egipcios, Rumanos, Rusos, que han logrado encaminarse.

Ojo, no es facil, pero requiere de mucho sacrificio y hasta que punto habra gente dispuesta a hacerlo. Pero decri que es una porqueria es como el cuento del zorro y las uvas, que dijo que las uvas estaban podridas y era que le quedaban alto y no le llegaba.

Bueno, este tema ya esta medio gastado, cada quien hace de su camisa un saco.

Saludos

haber vivido en Norteamerica, entender la cultura y hablar muy bien el idioma.

Igual teniendo todo eso hay gente que no consigue trabajo en Canada.Y cuantos canadienses se van de Canada porque no encuentran trabajo????

Estimado amigo, nunca he dicho que son unos perdedores, lo que he tratado de hacerle ver a las personas que quieren venir aqui es que no todo lo que se dice en este foro es realidad, jamas he dicho que Canada es su sueño y que apenas se bajen del avion tendran 100 personas esperando para ofrercerles trabajo, lo que he tratado de hacerles ver es que tienen que venir con la idea de empezar de empezar de nuevo, haciendo lo que sea, yo empece trabajando part-time, limpiando los baños de la tienda, pasando coleto y cargando cajas del deposito a la tienda, fue facil NO…no es facil colgar el titulo universitario que uno trae y todas las espectativas de la gran vida, sin embargo con la ayuda de dios, y el apoyo de mi esposa e hijo segui adelante, y sabes que, la empresa me empezo a reconocer mi esfuerzo y sacrificio y a punta de excelentes evaluaciones me fueron dando promociones, hoy en dia soy gerente de proyecto en el area de sistemas, que es el area en donde me gradue hace varios años en venezuela.

again… es facil..NO NO NO NO, se pueden alcanzar las metas con empeño, sacrificio, optimismo y esfuerzo.. SI SI SI SI SI

ojala puedan entender el mensaje, no estoy descalificando ni ofendiendo a nadie, ni tampoco irrespetando opiniones, la realidad laboral en Canada es efectivamente complicada, hay cientos de empleos pero miles de personas buscando, por ende toma tiempo y muchisima paciencia poder entrar y triunfar en este tipo de sociedad…buena suerte a los que quieren venir y a los que vinieron y se regresaron muchisima suerte y que alla si hagan realidad sus sueños.